david williamson
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david williamson left a comment for G Bulmer
thereby hangs a very strange tail. But I won't trouble you with it just now. The simplest way to receve it is to connect an RC diode across the transducer (ie in parallel) also ye olde voltmeter. I suppose if you modulated the transmitted…
Jul 23, 2009
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G Bulmer left a comment for david williamson
My electronics is mostly self-taught too, so I have (many) holes. I use the "Art of Electronics" a lot, which is brilliant. The only way to amplify the return signal I feel I understand is to use an Op Amp and a few resistors to set…
Jul 23, 2009
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david williamson left a comment for G Bulmer
because my knowledge of electronics is self-taught it has a lot of holes in it & one particularly gaping one is how to increase the strength of an ultrasound signal. Because I never found out how to do this I have always focussed more on how to…
Jul 23, 2009
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G Bulmer left a comment for david williamson
I agree, at 5V driving the transducer is likely just as good from the Arduino directly. There impedance is about 1K at 40KHz. I wasn't thinking of current, but the voltage. These are the sensors I…
Jul 23, 2009
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david williamson left a comment for G Bulmer
I think you may find you get the same ultrasound signal strength without a transistor. The ultrasound transducers have an extremely high impedance. I forget what it is but it's tens of thousands of kilohms.
Jul 23, 2009
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G Bulmer left a comment for david williamson
I have a sillyscope, and I've been meaning to do that for months! I need to get my work done 1st and avoid distractions like this :-( I tend to use an Arduino for signals. It is extremly easy to make a 38KHz signal using the hardware timers,…
Jul 22, 2009
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david williamson left a comment for G Bulmer
If you have a sillyscope a good way to start is connect an ultrasound transducer to its input then connect another one to something that generates a 38 KHz signal eg a 555 timer or a signal generator if you have one. Now just try looking at the…
Jul 22, 2009
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G Bulmer left a comment for david williamson
David, that's an interesting suggestion. I am a bit busy for the next few weeks to try it, but I think the ability to calculate position would be extremely useful even for Earth-bound robots. I have several sets of very low-cost ultrasonic…
Jul 22, 2009
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david williamson left a comment for G Bulmer
I have just posted the following on Chris Anderson's blog about multiple IR blimp beacons at the DIY drones sight I don't suppose anyone will read it but I think you might be interested............... I was very interested to read G…
Jul 22, 2009
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david williamson commented on Chris Anderson's blog post 'How can we make IR beacons with unique IDs for Blimpduino?'
I was very interested to read G Bulmer's ideas about ultrasound. If you were to move the ultrasound receiver on the blimp to the top of the envelope pointing upwards not only would you be able to use the perfectly flat & unobstructed…
Jul 22, 2009
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david williamson commented on Chris Anderson's blog post 'Correct Blimpduino LED/motor/servo behavior'
because most domestic environments are very cluttered, wouldn't the ultrasonic eye be better employed using the ceiling as a height datum? What about unsoldering the ultrasound transducer & putting it on top of the blimp facing upwards then…
Jul 22, 2009

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At 6:12am on July 22, 2009, G BulmerG Bulmer said…
David, that's an interesting suggestion. I am a bit busy for the next few weeks to try it, but I think the ability to calculate position would be extremely useful even for Earth-bound robots. I have several sets of very low-cost ultrasonic transducers, and I'm a 'dab hand' at 38KHz modulation (I've just made a Nikon IR remote), so lashing something up with a couple of Arduino's should be straightforward.

Thank you very much for sharing the idea, you've stimulated my creative juices :-)

Garry

PS - You have an amazing web site. Wonderful!
At 10:30am on July 22, 2009, G BulmerG Bulmer said…
I have a sillyscope, and I've been meaning to do that for months!
I need to get my work done 1st and avoid distractions like this :-(

I tend to use an Arduino for signals. It is extremly easy to make a 38KHz signal using the hardware timers, and I can always stick a cheap Darlington transistor on the output. I need to do that anyway if I am going to use it, so no big problem. It's just lack of time!

GB-)
At 2:43am on July 23, 2009, G BulmerG Bulmer said…
I agree, at 5V driving the transducer is likely just as good from the Arduino directly. There impedance is about 1K at 40KHz. I wasn't thinking of current, but the voltage.

These are the sensors I have:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Sensors/Ultrasonic-Sensors/Ultrasonic-transducers/30210

and they are measured at 10V (maximum 20V RMS), so I was thinking of using a 9V battery, and a transistor (or CMOS buffer) to drive at a higher voltage to get a stronger signal out :-)

That isn't necessary for an experiment, but I want to see how far I could reliably detect with a larger voltage swing (I'd like to try in the local schools sports hall).

GB-)
At 3:32am on July 23, 2009, G BulmerG Bulmer said…
My electronics is mostly self-taught too, so I have (many) holes. I use the "Art of Electronics" a lot, which is brilliant.

The only way to amplify the return signal I feel I understand is to use an Op Amp and a few resistors to set gain.
How you do it?

The ADC inputs of the Arduino are so slow as to be virtually useless (sampling at under 10KHz), so I need to drive the received signal above 2.5V so that I can sample with a digital input.

GB-)

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