Moderator Comment by Howard Gordon on June 12, 2008 at 5:04pm

Wayne -

Could you describe your A-3 aircraft and provide some background info on the missions you are flying under the COA ? Thanks.

Moderator Comment by wayne garris on June 12, 2008 at 6:29pm

that big yellow thing to the left.
Peak-Aviation our web site. you can get the info for this study at the WSDOT web sit under "reserach" . as far as background on the mission please refer to my blog on it . ive also posted video from the demo and flight video of and from the A-3 here . i will tell you one thing it was scary . we had air density of 7,000 ft and flying in a high mountian valley , gps loss was a problem . in fact the georgia tech team had thier gps jump 300ft during a flght while flying close to the canyon wall . it was put into manual and quickly recovered .

view of the road we used as a runway

Comment by Rory Paul on June 12, 2008 at 8:03pm

Try the USDA they want the ability to fly at 4 feet with a sideways looking camera to tell the bulls from the cows ; )

Comment by Joe Bennett on June 13, 2008 at 8:33am

Would it be possible for you to post a copy of the COA so that others might be able to learn what would need to be provided to the FAA to obtain one? As PIC of the flights you made I am sure that your must have been provided a copy of the COA as part of the preflight briefings so that you would have a full understanding as to the limits that you would have to fly under to adhere to the COA itself. Thanks for all of your very detailed information regarding the projects you have participated in, and I hope you can continue our education into the COA process further.

Moderator Comment by wayne garris on June 13, 2008 at 6:35pm

lets make this clear i have no idea how i could go out and get a coa right now but i do know how to get the people who can to go and get one, and then I fly for them , get it?
all you everwant to learn about COAs is right here
a little busy right now but i will see if i can dig up some maps ect from the mission and post them later this weekend

Comment by Joe Bennett on June 13, 2008 at 8:56pm

Sorry if my questions have made you angry, as that was not my intention. I just honestly wanted to see an actual COA that had been granted by the FAA. They are pretty rare at this point, heck would most likely be eligible to be framed for posterity. Thanks anyway Wayne....

Moderator Comment by wayne garris on June 13, 2008 at 9:51pm

i am soo not angry im just telling you how to do it . if you want to talk emotions all day go to opera.com

Moderator Comment by wayne garris on June 14, 2008 at 8:25am

but please don't let me discourage the little guys out there . it wasn't my money that's footing the bill at peak . the main point I'm trying to make here is that you need to have a good product with special capabilities , you need to get out and sell yourself and your idea to the right people and be ready for a long tough road and a lot of rejection and giggles and if you are smart and persistent you can over come any obstacle . in the end the way i see it is this , pilots are dying right now because we aren't flying . you tell this to a search and rescue heli pilot and i promise you he will love you for it.

Moderator Comment by Brian on June 14, 2008 at 10:40am

Say the rules change and allow for small class UAVs. As I understand even if the rules change we'd still need to obtain a COA or at least a COE. Is it likely that we'll be able to piggy-back off other issued certificates? I'm thinking it would be really cool if any rule changes for micro-uav would be class based and allow for proof/demo of your setup showing it meets the particulars of a "class". Then it would be more about getting approval to fly in certain areas or situations (IE Search and Rescue w/local authorities).

Am I way off?

Comment by Rory Paul on June 14, 2008 at 1:32pm

Good luck to us all if there is a rule change that requires us to get a COA. If the COA is location based (Canada I believe takes two weeks to issue permits currently) and we need to wait for the FAA to approve them every time we will all go gray waiting. More likely to be a weight class for small UAV and a general registration and rules governing where we can fly.

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